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“demolish the statues and destroy the crosses”
no, this doesn’t come from the taliban country, afghanistan or saudi arabia. this comes from our very own country.
who said it? an MP for parit sulong.
where? at the circus house parliament.
when? 29 oct. 2007
statues/crosses from where? mission schools.
why he said it? ISLAMISATION in the making!!
i’m not making this up. and no, i’m not trying to drive a divide between islam and christianity (because one blogger said that was what i like to do). i’m merely presenting you with facts, then of course add my own comments.
here… the proof. extract from hansard (parliament records).
click on the picture or click here for the bigger version (click once to open, then click once again on the picture to enlarge).
to those who don’t understand bahasa, i’ll be glad to translate it for you.
now i’m going to pick out some parts (and translate) to comment on them.
"banyak ibu bapa menghantar anak-anak mereka ke sana, mereka kompelin sebab ada kalanya sekolah dimulakan dengan lagu gereja."
(many parents sent their children there, they complained sometimes school begin with a church song.)
well, then who told the parents to send their children there?? typical __ !!! wanna send, then wanna complain. "kalau you tak suka, you keluar dari sini!" (sound familiar?) - well people can say this to the parents.
"saya rasa kecewa di dalam negara islam, malaysia ini, kalau saya pergi ke sekolah convent, ada terpampang patung st mary di depan depan sekolah."
(i felt disappointed that in malaysia, an islamic country, if i go to a convent school, there is a statue of st mary in front of the school).
oy hello, YB (yang bodoh!), of course lah if you go to a convent school, you’ll see statue of mary (mary is mary, YB, no st title to mary. oh YB. figures). do you expect to see a statue of gandhi or confucious there? or a large picture of prophet mohammad?
oh and this menteri already take malaysia as an islamic state.
"satu hari raya yang lepas, saya diberitahu oleh seorang bapa, waktu aidilfitri di sambut, sekolah-sekolah jenis ini tidak ditutup."
(i was told once by a father that during the aidilfitri celebration, these schools were not closed).
bullshit! such big holiday (and belonging to islam too) and the school not closed? ok, let’s say it was true the schools were not closed… but i’m sure it was not open and muslim had to go! in any case, if you make noise like this, then why was the UMNO assembly held during deepavali? UMNO assembly tidak tutup waktu deepavali!
actually there are lots more to comment but i’ll leave that to some other day. now i am going to give you here the coments of someone else. i received this comments (together with the hansard) via email. here’s that someone’s else comments:
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Here we go again!!!! When will all this stop and where is all this leading us to Its outrageous just becaz they got over with one - now they are going for others There are more serioius issues pending - not even in the preliminary investigation stage - issues like poverty ( including Bumis ); increasing crime rates; and many more
What were the promises of these MPs - have these been fulfilled - or was the above one of their election promises - or are they trying to gain a political mileage just by being fanatical - when will they understand that the topic of religion and its related issues should not be politicized
For example if we’re in a mamak / malay stall selling mee goreng or roti chanai which is situated near a smelly drain - do we ask the stall owners to relocate the the drain or their respective stalls - the decision lies entirely on the stall owners
How does the cross or statues effect a student educational ability ? If the cross bothers them so much why don’t transfer out the malay students to other schools ?
The early missionaries brought education to the then Malaya - why after all these years the need to remove these items - did it really take this long ( more than 50 yrs )for the politicians realize this - or were the early Muslims ( 60s; 70s; 80s’ & 90s; even the new millenium )were so inferior in religious knowledge that they failed advocate the removal of these items ?
No - these Muslims practised religious tolerance - they were not fanatics like some of the current crop of so called learned muslims
Islam is a religion which advocates peace, love, harmony, charity and above all the need to continuously pray, praise and give thanks to ALLAH
- why do we need to do things that is unbecomming of a tolerant muslim -
Let us as Christian pray that we ourselves and our fellow Malaysians will be able to rationalize our respective thoughts, words and deeds so that each and every one us will be able to respect each others beliefs and way of living, paving the way for a peaceful, harmonious and tolerant Malaysian lifestyle.
UPDATED: for the english translation of the hansard text, please click here.
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on November 22nd, 2007 at 2:21 am
[...] CARPE DIEM - Libero Community - Blog wrote an interesting post today!.Here’s a quick excerpt“demolish the statues and destroy the crosses†POSTED: Thursday, 22/11/07, 2:09 AM FILED: christian, religion, issues, politics no, this doesn’t come from the taliban country, afghanistan or saudi arabia. this comes from our very own country. who said it? an MP for parit sulong. where? at the circus house parliament. when? 29 oct. 2007 statues/crosses from where? mission schools. why he said it? ISLAMISATION in the making!! i’m not making this up. and no, i’m not trying to drive a divide [...]
on November 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 am
The Muslim forgot or didn’t even read the Quran that Islam and the Prophet said to his followers to Muslims should not make distinction between one and another of what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacon, and the Tribes, and in the Books given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord (Surah 3: 84 Ali Imran).
In Surah 3: 94 Say: “God speaketh the Truth; follow the religion of Abraham, the same in faith; he was not of the Pagans.
In Surah 3: 58-59: “This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom. The similitude of jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”; and he was. The Truth comes from God alone; so be not of those who doubt.
Surah 3: 42-49: “Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! God hath chosen thee and purified thee - chosen theee above the women of all nations. O Mary! Worship thy Lord devoutly: prostrate thyself, and bow down in prayer with those who bow down…O Mary God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of those nearest to God… And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and appoint him a messenger to the Children of Israel.
Surah 3: 55: Behold! God said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection; then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
Surah 3: 70: Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of God, of which ye are witnesses?
The Quran specifically recognised Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Mary and Jesus as people of God and part of Islamic religion.
Note: The only part that is not differentiated is the Holy Trinity and the apostles letters in the New testament.
on November 23rd, 2007 at 5:36 pm
[...] Syed Hood bin Syed Edros, our dear Member of Parliament from Parit Sulong, was suggesting in a parliament meeting in late October to demolish Christian statues and crosses in Christian missionary schools. [read more from Kenny and Lucia] [...]
on November 24th, 2007 at 2:21 am
wow mave! so much quote from you from the koran! you have one?
yes the koran may recognise these saints and holy people… but unfortunately not our UMNO MPs.
on November 24th, 2007 at 7:11 am
Maverick’s advice is 10 times better than whatever those BN jokers say in Parliament.
Oh, went Rommel commented that Malaysia is a racist / bias country, those BN jokers get so sensitive. These BN jokers will deny it. Lucy Lai, it would be great to forward the hansard to as many friends as possible.
Oh, I tried clicking on the Hansard but nothing happened.
on November 24th, 2007 at 9:53 am
It is becoming clearer and clearer that UMNO are a bunch of bigots who don’t belong in a multiracial, multireligious country. They should think hard about their place in Malaysia!
on November 24th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Mave, there something different between the islam of the Umayad and Abassid dynasty. The later was even less tolerant. The there’s this Al Ghazali who set the course of islam to make it irreconciable with Asistotle and Plato from which Western Civilization(and much of the modern world) derived much from. Many true believers will always choose the path of greater intolerance because that has more omph within the exckusive parochial setting.
on November 24th, 2007 at 5:31 pm
[...] I was alerted to what transpired above when I came across caffeinbar posting on Malaysia muslim parliament member demonise convent school. Who in turn receive the heads up from DarnMalaysia : Morons of Parliament: Demolish Christian Statues, Destroy the Crosses. Who in turn receive the heads up from Lucia Lai : “demolish the statues and destroy the crosses†[...]
on November 25th, 2007 at 2:57 am
paladin tee
i actually received this hansard via email which had been circulated around, so it was being passed around.
oh, the hansard not working when you click on it? try again please because when i try it, it work very well.
fred
very well said!
on December 2nd, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Maverick, no, they didn’t forget. IMHO, they know of the existence of this verse. It is not the concept of the Holy Trinity that they are concerned about, but the whole belief of Christianity. It would be suicidal if they taught their children to accept the teachings of Christianity as being part of Islam.
As such, most muslims are taught to reject the present day Christianity on the basis that the current Bible is corrupted and not the original version. To them the Injil stated in the Al-Quran is not the Kitab Injil that Christians have now and thus should be rejected in totality.
on December 3rd, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Well… they are United Morons No Otak what…
on December 4th, 2007 at 5:46 am
I Don’t Buy The Moron MP’s Angle…
About a week or so ago, there were some heated responses in the blogosphere when it was revealed that 2 UMNO Members of Parliament suggested that crosses and images be removed from mission schools. Among the allegations made by these……
on December 6th, 2007 at 4:47 am
To Maverick,
Why have you neglected to quote this verse from the Quran?
Sura at-Tauba verse 29 (al-Quran 9:29)
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
The Malay translation of 9:29
Perangilah orang-orang yang tidak beriman kepada Allah dan tidak beriman kepada hari akhirat dan mereka pula tidak mengharamkan apa yang telah diharamkan oleh Allah dan RasulNya dan tidak beragama dengan agama yang benar, iaitu dari orang-orang yang diberikan Kitab (kaum Yahudi dan Nasrani), sehingga mereka membayar “Jizyah” dengan keadaan taat dan merendah diri.
People of the Book are the Jews & Christians. Care to explain to us the meaning of this “peaceful” verse from the perfect al-Quran, spoken by the All Knowing & Most Merciful Allah?