the indigenous people of malaysia
Post on Apr.30, 2008
UPDATED: read a good explanation of ‘ketuanan melayu’ from our opposition leader, wan azizah, to counter against shahrir samad’s defence of ‘ketuanan melayu’ at sun2surf.
ORIGINAL POST
who are the indigenous people of malaysia?
any school kids would tell you it is the ORANG ASLI.
do a google search for ‘indigenous people in malaysia’ and you’ll get results of orang asli.
we all know it had been like this all along – the truly indigenous (or shall i say the real ‘son of the soil’ – i.e. bumiputera in malay) people are the orang asli.
however, all of a sudden, yesterday, this man came forward to tell us that the indigenous people are the malays!!
KUALA LUMPUR: The definition of ketuanan Melayu (Malay supremacy) is not about the Malays being in a position to dominate, rule over and force their power upon other races, said Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.
He said Malay supremacy meant that the Malays, as the indigenous people in Malaysia, needed to strengthen themselves to ensure they were successful and developed.
yeah, believe it or not, this man is none other than our PM!!
he was explaining the meaning of ‘ketuanan melayu‘. he continued:
“If they are not successful and developed, then they are not tuan (masters), therefore they will be coolies. I am sure we do not want to become coolies who do not play any role in development because we are weak and not able.
if that’s the case, following his logic, that means it also applies to the chinese, indians and lain-lain too. we can safely say if we are not successful and developed, we would not be masters (tuan) but coolies, but then have you heard of ‘ketuanan cina’ or ‘ketuanan india’ being mentioned?
“So when we talk about that (Malay supremacy), we mean we must be successful in many fields. It is never about ruling over others, or forcing our power upon them,” he told reporters after chairing the Umno supreme council meeting last night.
well, the chinese and indians also wants to be successful in many fields but they don’t use the ‘ketuanan’ word. when ‘ketuanan’ is used by one particular community, it means that particular community is being arrogant, wants to be master and lord over the other communities.
We are not going to be a race that dominates others. We want to be a party that represents the Malays and that is ready to co-operate for the future of Malays and the people, as Malays will also succeed when all Malaysians are successful.
“That is Malay supremacy and I hope people will understand it,” he said.
sorry mr PM, i don’t understand one bit. you said it there "… race that dominates others.". yes, the word ‘ketuanan’ there signify dominance (or supremacy).
you talked about "the party that represents the malays’ – well isn’t that what umno is for? you have umno already, so why need ketuanan melayu?
(note: picture shows orang asli children from cameron highlands taken from worldnomads)
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April 30th, 2008 on 9:51 am
the indigenous people of usa are the red indians, in australia the abos, in nz the maoris, in israel the palestinians and so on and so forth.
this land was ruled by the malays since recorded malayan history. even the old name of malaysia was tanah melayu (malay land).
your argument does not hold. if used, then the present world is not what it is today. even china does not belong to the hans as it presently stands.
according to anthropological history the orang asli were divided into two groups — those who chose to live near the jungle and those who lived by the river mouths. it seemed that those who chose to live near water modernise faster. the jungle people are the present orang asli and the river people are the ancestors of the present malays.
the malays chose to share this land with those from china and india. and should you hate the malays just because you dont like Umno? I dont like george bush but i do not hate the americans. maybe i could like bush as a person, but not his policies.
April 30th, 2008 on 1:22 pm
I don`t hate malays. A malay saying that is in fact hating non-malays and practising victimhood. Such people are essentially narcissistic and very insecure.
April 30th, 2008 on 1:25 pm
`he malays chose to share this land with those from china and india.`
And if they hadn`t what would have happened? Tunku Abdul Rahman had more brains then the present day clods of UMNO who keep harping on that rubbish inspired by Mahathir.
April 30th, 2008 on 1:38 pm
Hutch: “Such people are essentially narcissistic and very insecure.”
From which “victimhood” became the natural progression towards resorting to blame of others. The hiding of the Light of others so that only one’s own would shine.
What is the solution? Can it be found by the feel-good hype of ‘ketuanan’ which is, in fact, a mind bending drug of sorts that guarantees no solution?
April 30th, 2008 on 1:46 pm
The only `ketuanans` are those whose hands are kissed by the village peasants and slum idiots. Unfortunately these same have learnt to wear suits and own mercedes benz and bungalows and now expect the non malays to grovel at their feet and become equally handicapped.
April 30th, 2008 on 1:53 pm
`this land was ruled by the malays since recorded malayan history. even the old name of malaysia was tanah melayu (malay land).`
I am writing in response to MGG’s excellent posting on the above. The
attempts by various parties to blot out the Indianised component of
Malay culture, I believe, is tantamount to destroying my rich cultural
heritage and turning Malays into third-rate Arabs. It is tue that islam
is a large component of our culture – but Malay culture is a rich
melting pot of many other cultures – Indian, Chinese, Thai, Javanese,
Minangkabau, Portuguese, even a pagan past when we were closest to our
roots in nature.
[ ]
One expert has even suggested that there are only four words in the Malay
vocabulary which are genuinely Malay. The are “api” or fire, “besi” or
iron. “padi” or rice, and “nasi” or cooked rice. This is rather a
sweeping claim, but no one will deny that AT LEAST a third of Malay
vocabulary has originated from Indian tongues.
Words such as putera, puteri, asmara, samudra, belantra, kenchana,
sukma, and literally thousands of other words are all Sanscrit words,
either in original or in modified form.
http://malayindians.blogspot.com/2008/04/indian-component-of-malay-culture-sabri.html
April 30th, 2008 on 1:55 pm
`this land was ruled by the malays since recorded malayan history. even the old name of malaysia was tanah melayu (malay land).`
I am writing in response to MGG’s excellent posting on the above. The
attempts by various parties to blot out the Indianised component of
Malay culture, I believe, is tantamount to destroying my rich cultural
heritage and turning Malays into third-rate Arabs. It is tue that islam
is a large component of our culture – but Malay culture is a rich
melting pot of many other cultures – Indian, Chinese, Thai, Javanese,
Minangkabau, Portuguese, even a pagan past when we were closest to our
roots in nature.
[ ]
One expert has even suggested that there are only four words in the Malay
vocabulary which are genuinely Malay. The are “api” or fire, “besi” or
iron. “padi” or rice, and “nasi” or cooked rice. This is rather a
sweeping claim, but no one will deny that AT LEAST a third of Malay
vocabulary has originated from Indian tongues.
Words such as putera, puteri, asmara, samudra, belantra, kenchana,
sukma, and literally thousands of other words are all Sanscrit words,
either in original or in modified form.
Read the rest at : malayindians.blogspot.com/2008/04/indian-component-of-malay-culture-sabri.html
April 30th, 2008 on 2:28 pm
To say that others hate you because they found cause to protest and vilify a bad ideology, which today is known to be universally detrimental wrt to human rights, is a parochial kneejerk. This politcally promoted parochialism is not going to build a nation.
We all know about Tanah Melayu and its real history. Any fallback to the politically correct rendition is no longer swallowed, hook, line and sinker by many. How much longer can it be peddled as the “truthful” version today?
Because of full blown racism, elitism grew by leaps and bounds. That’s the real elitist ketuanan thing and it’s stiffling the nation with corruption and expedient repression. The other publicly accorded ‘ketuanan’ is a feel-good drug that alienates people among themselves.
April 30th, 2008 on 3:04 pm
I think he was using this theory -> If you can’t win them, confuse them…
April 30th, 2008 on 7:18 pm
`this land was ruled by the malays since recorded malayan history. even the old name of malaysia was tanah melayu (malay land).`
Rubbish. Long before that was:
`Golden Chersonese is the ancient name to refer to the Malay Peninsula by Claudius Ptolemy or Claudius Ptolemaeus (Greek: ???????? ??????????; c. 90 – c. 168), known in English as Ptolemy, he was a Greek-speaking geographer, astronomer, and astrologer. During the Roman time, the Malay Peninsula developed an international reputation as a source of gold, hence the name was given.`
So if history is the guiding factor, then the name should be changed to `Golden Chersonese`. Their own history they don`t know.
April 30th, 2008 on 7:52 pm
Quote :
“The present-day Malays of the Peninsula and coasts of the Malay Archipelago are described anthropologically as deutero-Malays and are the descendants of the tribal proto-Malays mixed with modern Indian, Thai, Arab and Chinese
blood.
Malay culture itself has been strongly influenced by that of other peoples,
including the Siamese, Javanese, Sumatran and, especially, Indians. The
influence of Hindu India was historically very great, and the Malay were
largely Hinduized before they were converted to Islam in the 15th century.” u/q
http://www.sabrizain.org/malaya/
April 30th, 2008 on 9:37 pm
Sounds like your PM is having difficulties understanding history. Indigenous peoples are facing numerous problems, and one that is central is that of identity. Who is indigenous? Who is not? These are sticky questions, especially in countries with a long and complex colonial history.
April 30th, 2008 on 10:59 pm
I tend to equate supremacy of a race as to their inherent talents/abilities as survivors and making the best use of what it has, as for eg
the outstanding Israelis or the super adaptable Koreans. Malays ? Give them another 50 years everybody will know the inevitable answer.
I am sure you will be around to see that !
May 1st, 2008 on 12:33 am
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May 1st, 2008 on 8:53 am
Indigenous people resarcher said : “Sounds like your PM is having difficulties understanding history..”
Even if he can, his personal inertia and party ideology would prevent him from doing anything worthwhile enough to save the future. Hence the “Ketuanan” thing is being spun to appear so politically correct and necessary.
Of course, even his “explanation” is written, prepared and spun by someone else. Why didn’t he do or say anything helpful afterwards when Kerismuddin drew his keris in his pressence? And the MCA’s OKT, went on a fatuous ‘mission impossible’ roadshow afterwards to mollify that as no threat whatsoever.
May 1st, 2008 on 3:27 pm
Samsul….
Ignore them, it is in their blood…..a leech.
Just look at their empowered group (singoporean). Have no water to drink..bagging from us…but still do it arrogantly. Leech.
May 1st, 2008 on 7:38 pm
Haha the silliness surfaces again. Just like those `Looney Tunes` cartoons.
Parasites living off others is what Amil Imani said of them.
May 1st, 2008 on 8:00 pm
I don’t think Za above is a sincere commentator.
He/she is just deliberately shit-stirring.
May 2nd, 2008 on 1:26 am
ahh here comes za again, as usual name calling (what else does he/she knows??).
oh well as you like. i’m a leech, so be it. at least we are leeches who sucks blood to survive and not like others, leeches who on live off others for surviving.
kitty, you got it so right!