muslim men spying on churches
Post on Jul.09, 2009
my colleagues, joachim and stanley had lodged a police report against the publisher of the magazine, al-islam. refering to the may issue of the magazine, two muslim men had gone undercover to a church with the aim of seeking out malay youth who apostate. they also held a press conference at the police station itself. they went to attend the mass in church from beginning to end and participated in everything… including holy communion (the consumption of ‘the body of christ’
, which is only for catholics.
to us catholics, the body of christ is something very sacred, that only catholics (some churches even stressed ‘baptised and practising catholics’
are allowed to consume because only we catholics believe in this what was called ‘transubstantiation’ where a piece of white host was transformed into the body of christ. as the police report stated – ‘this white host, according to the catholics, is something very sacred and should not be played around with because catholics believe the host to be jesus christ, whom only catholics can consumed’. those two undercover muslim men not only consume the body of christ but they spit it out later to photograph it (this means earlier they didn’t consume it but hid it in their mouth). please read the report here.
i also attached here the said article in al-islam regarding these two men going undercover. (here and here – please enlarge it to read. if you find it too small to read, contact me, i’ll email them to you). it was indeed terrible what they did. it won’t be so bad if they just attended mass and sat there and watch… but they went to consume the body of christ, spit it out and take photo of it! this is really ‘hina’ to our religion. to us the ‘roti putih’ is jesus himself where nobody should not main-main with it, least of all, non catholics.
there is another article in the same issue of al-islam which talked further about ‘remaja melayu murtad’ (malay youth apostate). they seemed to blame the church for trying to convert the youth. i find that strange. first of all, the church would never do that (and to think they even said a church pay the youth to convert!) and secondly, more importantly, if the youth feel like converting, it’s their own business and if they want to blame someone, why blame the church? why don’t they blame the youth? better still, blame themselves!! why the youth wants to murtad? probably they did not guide the youth well enough in their faith!!
it’s same like the allah issue (btw, it was mentioned in the article too), where those religious officers keep saying if the church use ‘allah’, it will confuse the malay youth. come on, don’t insult the malay youth i’m sure they won’t be so easily confused. if they are, who is to blame? same like, if they feel many malay youth murtad – converting to christianity (or other religion) who is to blame?
note: i have two other articles from al-islam too which touch on those muslim men spying on other churches. if you wish to have it, do email me.
UPDATED: on second thought, here are the articles. article 1, article 2, article 3.
click on ‘read the rest of the entry’ to read the press release.
PRESS RELEASE
Muslim Men Spying in Catholic Churches
We are deeply concerned that two Muslim men acting on false information that the Catholic Church was converting Muslims into Christians had recently entered a Catholic Church service for the purpose of gathering information as to whether this was occurring. They were also investigating whether the word ‘Allah’ was being used in church services. These men participated in the church service and even took part in the rituals that are strictly for Catholics and in doing so violated the sanctity of what Catholics hold very sacred. These men later wrote about their experience in an article entitled “Tinjaun Al Islam Dalam Gereja:Mencari Kesahihan Remaja Murtad” which was published in the May 2009 issue or the Al Islam magazine.
The men had consumed the ‘communion’ which is a white wafer which is blessed by the Priest in a Catholic ritual that dates back 2000 years. Via this ritual the ‘white wafer’ is supernaturally transformed into what Catholics believe to be Jesus Christ and when consumed allows Catholics to experience life after death. The ‘communion’ is held with great reverence and cannot in any way be mishandled or with a lack of respect. Even Catholics are not allowed to take home the ‘communion’ but are instructed to consume it immediately during the service. Catholics go through an elaborate process of preparing themselves to receive this ‘communion’ worthily and those who have not done so are advised to refrain from receiving it.
As such we are outraged that these Muslim men consumed it only to spit it out later, have it photographed and have its image published in the Al-Islam magazine. The total disrespect shown to what Catholics hold in closest to their hearts and believe to be most Holy strikes deep into our hearts and invokes much anger. While we are resolved not to allow anger to guide our actions and instead pray that these ignorant will be forgiven by the Allah, we want to know what has become of this most holy ‘communion’ and demand its immediate return to the church authorities.
We are further outraged that these Muslim men have violated our sense of privacy to freely worship. Would these men tolerate non-Muslims entering the mosque and violating the sanctity and holiness of their worship? We believe that all places of worship and the form of worship practiced in these places must be respected with the greatest sensitivity and reverence be they the church, mosque, temple or gurdwaras. Entering these premises with the intention to spy and worse to violate the sanctity of the worship only serves to incite anger and hatred that could lead to potentially dangerous consequences that would tear this country apart.
As such, as concerned Catholics, we have made a police report at the Patani Road Police station on 8th July 2009 and thereafter held a press conference at the same place. We requested that the police investigate this matter with great urgency and bring to books those responsible for acting to incite hate and resentment among the Catholic Community. We also call on the police to investigate both the Al-Islam magazine and the writers of the article.
Joachim Francis Xavier & K. Sudhagaran Stanley
Tel: 016 4100264/ 016 4455678















July 9th, 2009 on 1:55 PM
now…now….if we do the same thing like these men, sure this malay will condemn us and put us in ISA…. WTF are thy thinking by consumed the holy sacred ”roti putih”?????????????
they are so much ”tidak menghormati” our religion..
July 9th, 2009 on 1:56 PM
BTW…..luci…can i borrow the scanned-article to put in my blog later…i’ll link it to ur blog….thanks…
July 9th, 2009 on 3:26 PM
they are no different than satan!
July 9th, 2009 on 3:27 PM
hi luci..can u send me the link related to the article to my email? thanks
July 9th, 2009 on 5:32 PM
Downright dirty trick; absolutely disgusting. Never imagine they would stoop so low, and so disrespectful to a sacred church tradition.
July 9th, 2009 on 8:53 PM
Without knowing much about it, it is really difficult to comment on this. Undercover is bad for not respecting other religion. Bribe people to convert is equally bad.
” …i find that strange. first of all, the church would never do that (and to think they even said a church pay the youth to convert!) and …”
Never say never. I am not trying to pick a fight on a specific religion, just that the 3 “brother” religions are easier to pick since they are much bigger.
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php/calendar_west/index.php?id=52,2105,0,0,1,0
July 10th, 2009 on 10:16 AM
Suppose 2 Catholics were to pose as Muslims and join Friday prayers in a mosque. If they were caught, there would be riots and killings of non-Muslims similar to the one which happened in Xinjiang a few days ago.
July 10th, 2009 on 10:47 AM
this is outrageous. glad the police report is made. lets see how the Govt will respond. we should also inform those two that they are now apostate, having now taken holy communion in their mouth which is a Catholic right.
So, how will they respond to that.
July 10th, 2009 on 2:44 PM
dear RSSMATTERS,
regarding your link that u put there about the buddhist converted to Christianity…mind you, CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL HELP THOSE THAT NEED ASSISTANCE,but we are not allowed to convert ppl in exchanging with d help that we’ve given earlier. we have our own evangelising method…
im not trying to stir up a not-so-good relations of catholic and protestant churches, but i do heard that’s d way protestants evangelised. but im not sure. but it’s in ur article, rssmatters.
July 10th, 2009 on 8:25 PM
Being a Catholic, I am really appalled by the behaviour of these two Malays. They have violated the Holy Sacrament of the Church and committed the greatest sin of all. Sham on you people in the islamic religious department.
Lucia, I have posted your article on my blog [http://malaysianfirstlast.blogspot.com] to keep all and sundry informed of this dastardly act.

July 10th, 2009 on 9:13 PM
Hi DeePo, to outside world (or to ignorance people like myself), isn’t Protestant or Catholic just a branch of Christian? What I am trying to say is bad apples exist among us. It is easy to pick an extreme bad apple as an example (me included) but that may not generally be represented by the group he/she belong. Cheers.
July 10th, 2009 on 9:47 PM
rssmatters,
IMHO, I bet you have not idea of the essence of Buddhist teaching. Buddhism never against the follower convert to other religion, and there is no “apostate” in Buddhism.
July 10th, 2009 on 10:23 PM
Hi Moo_t, I think you miss my point. My point is using gifts to entice people to switch religion does exist. The reason why I picked that article, as I stated earlier, is Christian is an easier target because of its size. Whether Buddhism (or any other religions for that matter) against followers to convert is not the point.
Having said that, I think we all should be sensitive and respectful when comes to others’ religions.
July 11th, 2009 on 12:22 AM
deepo
yes i’m sure if it is the other way round, we would receive wide condemnation, and you’ll see the UMNO politicians quickly jumped up.
cel
well what they did was very wrong but i wouldn’t go that far to label them as satan. likewise to…
urumchi
that’s exaggeration. there might be protests and demos and some people (muslim) taking law into their own hands, but i wouldn’t say there would be riots like in xinjiang.
fishtail
yes i can’t understand why they would want to go and consume the host (receiving holy communion). wouldn’t it be enough to just sit down and observe? they might not understand the significant or sacredness of receiving holy communion but that should not stop them from partaking in the ritual of another religion.
rssmatters
ok maybe i should not use ‘never’ but like what deepo said, i too would like to point out that usually it is the other christian denominations who are very into evangelising. in fact, it is understood the catholics are the most conservative of all the other denominations and the catholics are the worst at evengelising. that’s why catholics priests mourn the decrease of the catholics population… because we as catholics do not place priority in evengelising like the other christians do.
billy
thanks for posting to your blog.
yes, mostly only catholics who understand about the ‘body of christ’ will feel very shocked at what those 2 undercover muslim men did.
rssmatters
yes you are right. you said it – we should be sensitive and respectful to all religions. and remember it works 2 ways – no one way traffic about it. if muslim wants us to respect their religion, they must respect ours too and vice versa.
July 15th, 2009 on 12:57 PM
was forwarded with some level headed comments…
http://libertysentinel.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/sacrilegious-acts-by-unbelieving-spies-in-church/#more-150
KaKiaYam
July 16th, 2009 on 4:11 PM
The question now is:
What is Polis Raja di Malaysia (PRDM) and the leader of 1blackMalaysia doing about it?
July 24th, 2009 on 3:00 AM
I’m really concerned about what’s been happening these past few years in this beautiful country where intolerance, disrespect and distrust has grown to such a degree that such despicable acts of sacrilege and irreverence in a Catholic Christian church by certain individuals who were misinformed and brainwashed by a religious group who is getting very paranoid and insecure about their believers apostasizing. They should point the fingers at themselves and not at others and see where they have gone wrong. I wonder what will happen if it was the other way round. It is very disturbing to even think about it.
August 22nd, 2009 on 10:10 PM
Hi brs and sister in Christ,
whatever our churches are, be it catholic, protestants or evangelical, our mission remains the same that is to seek and to know Christ our Lord and saviour. we all must stand united and strong against whatever challenges from the other side which is all out to discredit and find faults in our belief or religion. Keep on praying and leave it to our living God to show those concerned the truth and the straight path to Heaven. I hope and pray that the two non christians who entered the church illegally would be touched by Jesus Christ and become Christian one day.