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By: Lucia

Lucia — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:04:44 +0000

wits
aiya i am very well aware of that lah… but as thrashed pointed out both of them posted just 2 mins apart so there is a high possibility they are same persons. also, in some other posts comments, both posted about the same time. if both share same PC, i wouldn’t believe one uses it one minute, and 2 mins later, another will use it. you can tell from the way a person writes, with its same style/technique whether s/he is same person.

By: wits0

wits0 — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:33:38 +0000

“kesava and kiran bhatia (same person)”

There is also a possibility that both shares the same PC – as in an office, e,g.

By: Lucia

Lucia — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:05:21 +0000

kesava and kiran bhatia (same person)

well it’s you who don’t understand what i asked of you. i never ask you to leave or stop commenting but if you want to go on your own account, be my guest.

By: ktemoc

ktemoc — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:36:33 +0000

Luce, I had this posted at my place http://ktemoc.blogspot.com/2008/01/has-ong-kt-mahathir-ised-dr-ling.html -

“Everywhere times are a changing:

Over 60 percent of Americans now believe that the US should support Israel, up from a low point of 23% in 2003 and showing a rise of over 10% since the Second Lebanon War. Conversely, close to 50% have an unfavorable opinion of the Palestinians, following a trend that has increased in the past few months.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517328870&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull“

as can be seen, same as what “Kiran Bhatia” or Kesava posted above. I replied ;-)

“wonderful – something “reliable” (hahaha) from the Jerusalem Post ;-) hahahahahahhaaaa – ultra Zionist and rabid Arab hater Daniel Pipes writes for JP regularly as a columnist.

Wiki tells us that “Pipes is also the founder of Campus Watch, an organization and website which exposes and publicizes what it claims is anti-Israel bias on campus. Pipes and the organization were criticised in 2002 of attacking academic freedom by publishing a list of academics critical of Israel and US foreign policy” – just like what the Nazis taught their Hitler Youth to do, to dob in even their parents.

And the author of the article Calev Ben-David is a member of The Israel Project (TIP). This is what the International Relation Centre has to say of TIP:

“The Israel Project (TIP) is a Washington- and Jerusalem-based lobbying outfit that aims to provide journalists and the public with information about Israel and the Middle East with the goal of giving a “more positive public face” to the country. Claiming to be a “nonprofit, nonpartisan organization impacting world opinion to help achieve security and peace for Israel,” the group advocates a number of positions similar to other hardline and neoconservative pro-Israel groups. It supports the controversial wall along the West Bank, advocates a hardline against Iran, and actively promotes the work of hawkish think tanks and writers.”

hahahahhahahahahaaaaa – it’s just like reading Harakah to hear that PAS and syriah law is good for Malaysia hahahhahaaaa”

The bloke by now annoyed came back with:

“A long drawn out `hahahahhahahahahaaaaa` is that of a guffawing fool.
You as a jew hater write regularly too don`t you in love with muslim spirations (as you put it). And now you are anti PAS and anti syariah.
Haha. No convictions of your own then huh? where the water face man?”

I then advised him:

“;-) you’re a sore loser in a post-comment ‘debate’. Another thing, you don’t know me well enough nor have read my blog long enough to know where I stand politically, yet you seem to be rather reckless assigning multi-faceted ‘affiliations’ to me, such as “Jew hater”, “in love with Muslim aspirations”, “anti PAS”, “anti Syriah”.

You must learn not to see the world in black and white like what a fundamentalist (of whatever religion) does, but if you have to, at least be consistent, not shotgunning your accusations from “Jew hater” to the other end of the spectrum “anti PAS”.

There is in fact a creature such as an independent blogger – I admit there’s not many of this category of bloggers but I am one of the few – see, you’re privileged to ‘discuss’ matters with a rara avis hahahahahahahahahaahahaaaaaa”

;-)

By: Trashed

Trashed — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:11:47 +0000

I guess Kiran Bhatia and Kesava may have been the same person since the responses were 2 mins apart and IPs probably logged at same.

I too, was trying to understand his/her point but sadly, I failed.

By: Kesava

Kesava — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:43:44 +0000

why is it you like to post long write-up from other sites, and which are not really related to the topic here? this was not your first time but in comments of yours in my other posts, you did the same thing. i hope you donâ€™t mind to stop posting from other sites. give us your personal comments instead.-lucia

Thank you. I think I also prefer not to waste my time here if you cannot understand. Goodbye and all the best to you.

By: Kiran Bhatia

Kiran Bhatia — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:41:41 +0000

Thank you. I think I prefer not to waste my time here if you cannot understand. Bye.

By: Lucia

Lucia — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:15:24 +0000

kesava
why is it you like to post long write-up from other sites, and which are not really related to the topic here? this was not your first time but in comments of yours in my other posts, you did the same thing. i hope you don't mind to stop posting from other sites. give us your personal comments instead.

sareen now now, why are you using multiple IDs, kesava? sareen is you! and i wouldn't be surprise if kiran bhatia is you too (though the IP differ, but kesava's and sareen's IP are the same). please please kesava (and kiran bhatia), i appeal to you to stop using multiple IDs and stop posting from other sites. if you really want to point out those articles from other sites, just give the url will do. it would be better if you come in with your own personal comments RELATED to the post/topic and then only you give the url of other sites (not the articles).

i hope you would listen to this humble advise of mine and try to cooperate with me. thank you.

mave
yep. people said religion is man-made and because of religion, there's so much conflict in the world... see, guess this is the main reason why people choose to be atheist.

to all btw apart from my letter in malaysiakini, i would like to recommend another excellent letter that touch on evangelising: everyone should be allowed to explore all religions

2 other letters related to the allah issue are:
religious divide: who benefit?
allah term not to confuse or propagate

By: Maverick SM

Maverick SM — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:58:00 +0000

Lucia,

In reality, religion had been created by some people, and the people tend to treat it as some kind of ownership, and tried to convert others either by force (Proselytizing) or by convincing (evangelism).

However, both are nothing to do with God. God created human and the creator would have preferred that they will do what they are created using their organs and senses. The religious teaching are to assist and guide human on the aspects of morality and decency, and it was geared towards providing a common platform for social integration and to co-exist.

Unfortunately, religion are often used to divide human and to distinguish which ultimately caused disintegration, conflict and war.

God didn’t need human to pray or talk to Him, neither to obey Him. Human needs God to survive as a social grouping and to have a common platform leading to co-existence and harmony. But God was ultimately blamed for all human errors and greed.