Comments on: sikh in m’sia also use ‘allah’… http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/ exercise your mind! Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:45:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Lucia http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/comment-page-1/#comment-79923 Lucia Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:41:21 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/#comment-79923 jaswant thanks for your comments and the info. i only CnP the part about sikh using the word allah from malaysiakini but nothing from me personally on the sikh using allah since i don't know anything about it. jaswant
thanks for your comments and the info.
i only CnP the part about sikh using the word allah from malaysiakini but nothing from me personally on the sikh using allah since i don’t know anything about it.

]]> By: Jaswant http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/comment-page-1/#comment-79733 Jaswant Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:44:44 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/#comment-79733 Hi Lucia. Since you have touched on Sikhs in relation to this issue, I would like to clarify that Allah is not worshipped by us and is not considered our god or creator. However to understand the use of Allah, it must be remembered that Sikhism arose amidst the 2 religions of Islam and Hinduism. The creator was referred to by various names in the scriptures of the Sikhs including Hindu names but nowadays is usually alluded to by "Raab" or "Raaba", "Waheguru" or "Permatma". The word "Ek Onkar" says there is only one creator and you can call him by whatever name be it 1 or 99, that fact does not change. To Kesava: The Sikhs suffered badly at the hands of the Mughals who were propagating Islam by the sword in India. Even a "modern" Sikh like me will die first than to betray my anscestors who had been tortured by the Mughals including being scalped alive and boiled in hot oil. Though I am not so hot on religion I will never betray the blood that flows in my veins. And really, if Islam was so great, how come many of the coverts to Sikhism during those times included both Muslims and Hindus? Whenever the Sikhs pray, their "Ardas" always remembers the sacrifices of our ancestors that were brutally tortured by those barbaric Mughals. And really where are these Mughals today? Finished except for their cuisine and ruins. If interested perhaps one should read: The Last Mughal: The Fall of a Dynasty, Delhi 1857 by William Dalrymple. Cheers. Hi Lucia. Since you have touched on Sikhs in relation to this issue, I would like to clarify that Allah is not worshipped by us and is not considered our god or creator. However to understand the use of Allah, it must be remembered that Sikhism arose amidst the 2 religions of Islam and Hinduism. The creator was referred to by various names in the scriptures of the Sikhs including Hindu names but nowadays is usually alluded to by “Raab” or “Raaba”, “Waheguru” or “Permatma”. The word “Ek Onkar” says there is only one creator and you can call him by whatever name be it 1 or 99, that fact does not change.
To Kesava: The Sikhs suffered badly at the hands of the Mughals who were propagating Islam by the sword in India. Even a “modern” Sikh like me will die first than to betray my anscestors who had been tortured by the Mughals including being scalped alive and boiled in hot oil. Though I am not so hot on religion I will never betray the blood that flows in my veins. And really, if Islam was so great, how come many of the coverts to Sikhism during those times included both Muslims and Hindus? Whenever the Sikhs pray, their “Ardas” always remembers the sacrifices of our ancestors that were brutally tortured by those barbaric Mughals. And really where are these Mughals today? Finished except for their cuisine and ruins. If interested perhaps one should read: The Last Mughal: The Fall of a Dynasty, Delhi 1857 by William Dalrymple. Cheers.

]]> By: kesava http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/comment-page-1/#comment-77434 kesava Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:40:07 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/#comment-77434 `the sikh use of allah is different? but allah is still god to them.` Their idea is that: `From Hindus and Muslims have I broken free.` in the said quotation. That is a supreme insult to Islam. Will UMNO/PAS now take action and ban Sikhs or force them all to convert to Islam. What do you think? `the sikh use of allah is different? but allah is still god to them.`

Their idea is that:
`From Hindus and Muslims have I broken free.` in the said quotation. That is a supreme insult to Islam. Will UMNO/PAS now take action and ban Sikhs or force them all to convert to Islam.
What do you think?

]]> By: Lucia http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/comment-page-1/#comment-77378 Lucia Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:03:32 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/#comment-77378 picatho haha. ya i too use allah a lot actually e.g when i forgot something or found out i made a mistake or something wrong happened e.g. "allah! i forgot to bring my swimming cap!", "allah! one figure missing, no wonder cannot balance.", "allah! power cut! all my hard work gone!" ok ok actually it should be 'ala...' a short form of 'alamak' lah but still it sounds 'allah'. kesava the sikh use of allah is different? but allah is still god to them. toni yep what you said were all so true. sad eh. corrupted. extremist. and more. and all these for, as you said, their own personal devilish interests. picatho
haha. ya i too use allah a lot actually e.g when i forgot something or found out i made a mistake or something wrong happened e.g. “allah! i forgot to bring my swimming cap!”, “allah! one figure missing, no wonder cannot balance.”, “allah! power cut! all my hard work gone!”
ok ok actually it should be ‘ala…’ a short form of ‘alamak’ lah but still it sounds ‘allah’.

kesava
the sikh use of allah is different? but allah is still god to them.

toni
yep what you said were all so true. sad eh. corrupted. extremist. and more. and all these for, as you said, their own personal devilish interests.

]]> By: toniXe http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/comment-page-1/#comment-77221 toniXe Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:38:23 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/#comment-77221 the whole thing is silly , much like a child arguing about this and that. those people are devoid of intelligence OR ISSIT another sick diversionary sandiwara ( I think it is ) but to the country is very vely dangerous coz this kind of things spell Xtremism and can kill the country eventually when foreigners stay away. These corrupt people in Gomen will soon kill all of us... moralist or sinners anyway ! becoz they are protecting their own personal devilish interests , u and I know that. the whole thing is silly , much like a child arguing about this and that.
those people are devoid of intelligence OR ISSIT another sick diversionary sandiwara ( I think it is ) but to the country is very vely dangerous coz this kind of things spell Xtremism and can kill the country eventually when foreigners stay away. These corrupt people in Gomen will soon kill all of us… moralist or sinners anyway !

becoz they are protecting their own personal devilish interests , u and I know that.

]]> By: kesava http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/comment-page-1/#comment-77204 kesava Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:45:00 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/#comment-77204 The Sikh usage of Allah is very different. See what their holy book says (and would muslims ever belive it?): "I observe neither Hindu fasting nor the ritual of the Muslim Ramadan month; Him I serve who at the last shall save. The Lord of universe of the Hindus, Gosain and Allah to me are one; From Hindus and Muslims have I broken free. I perform neither Kaaba pilgrimage nor at bathing spots worship; One sole Lord I serve, and no other. I perform neither the Hindu worship nor the Muslim prayer; To the Sole Formless Lord in my heart I bow. We neither are Hindus nor Muslims; Our body and life belong to the One Supreme Being who alone is both Ram and Allah for us." (Guru Arjan Dev, Guru Granth Sahib, Raga Bhairon pg. 1136) The Sikh usage of Allah is very different. See what their holy book says (and would muslims ever belive it?):

“I observe neither Hindu fasting nor the ritual of the Muslim Ramadan month; Him I serve who at the last shall save. The Lord of universe of the Hindus, Gosain and Allah to me are one; From Hindus and Muslims have I broken free. I perform neither Kaaba pilgrimage nor at bathing spots worship; One sole Lord I serve, and no other. I perform neither the Hindu worship nor the Muslim prayer; To the Sole Formless Lord in my heart I bow. We neither are Hindus nor Muslims; Our body and life belong to the One Supreme Being who alone is both Ram and Allah for us.” (Guru Arjan Dev, Guru Granth Sahib, Raga Bhairon pg. 1136)

]]> By: kesava http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/comment-page-1/#comment-77202 kesava Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:42:29 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/#comment-77202 Why shouldn`t christians use YHWH? It is better than following those Arab Christians who were `forced` (for safety`s sake) into using Allah? Do Christians know what Allah is? Then they should read this: The status of women was that of pride and equal respect. How could it be otherwise with a people whose chief deity was the goddess Durga (Alla). Women married men of their choice and were financially independent. They were entrepeneurs, artisans, poets and even warriors! Later on Muhammad would marry Khadija, who was not only a wealthy merchant but also in the position to choose her own husband. This clearly demonstrates the level of freedom women enjoyed in Vedic Arabia. Hind, who was the wife of Muhammad’s chief enemy Abu Sufyan, herself participated in the battlefield. http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0002/ET21-5523.html Why shouldn`t christians use YHWH? It is better than following those Arab Christians who were `forced` (for safety`s sake) into using Allah? Do Christians know what Allah is? Then they should read this:

The status of women was that of pride and equal respect. How could it be otherwise with a people whose chief deity was the goddess Durga (Alla). Women married men of their choice and were financially independent. They were entrepeneurs, artisans, poets and even warriors! Later on Muhammad would marry Khadija, who was not only a wealthy merchant but also in the position to choose her own husband. This clearly demonstrates the level of freedom women enjoyed in Vedic Arabia. Hind, who was the wife of Muhammad’s chief enemy Abu Sufyan, herself participated in the battlefield.

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0002/ET21-5523.html

]]> By: picatho http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/comment-page-1/#comment-77042 picatho Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:12:30 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2008/01/05/sikh-in-msia-also-use-allah/#comment-77042 I have also used to use 'allah' (vowelized) in conjunction with touching my forehead when I have had something forgotten to do or bring. Some are even worst to use 'alah' combined with "P?K?mah' leh! :D I have also used to use ‘allah’ (vowelized) in conjunction with touching my forehead when I have had something forgotten to do or bring. Some are even worst to use ‘alah’ combined with “P?K?mah’ leh!

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