Comments on: herald, allah and the use of BM http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/ exercise your mind! Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:28:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: miru http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/comment-page-1/#comment-194731 miru Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:20:09 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/#comment-194731 News, especially intimidating provocation is quite useless and irrational but I think Aloha ( not sure which religion he belongs to ) is thinking rather rationally. The matter becomes more serious because the Malay society believes the name "Allah" is referred to muslims' God only. As the matter of fact, such thing is trivial. Muslims' god has no proper name but in Islam, God does exist as one. However, some of us have been taught for several years that "Allah" is only for Islam. Anyway, I pretty understand Aloha's reasoning. If he's a muslim, I give a respect to him though I am not. It's the society after all. News, especially intimidating provocation is quite useless and irrational but I think Aloha ( not sure which religion he belongs to ) is thinking rather rationally.

The matter becomes more serious because
the Malay society believes the name “Allah” is
referred to muslims’ God only.

As the matter of fact, such thing is trivial.

Muslims’ god has no proper name but in Islam, God does exist as one. However, some of us have been taught
for several years that “Allah” is only for Islam.

Anyway, I pretty understand Aloha’s reasoning.
If he’s a muslim, I give a respect to him though
I am not.

It’s the society after all.

]]> By: Lucia http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/comment-page-1/#comment-166626 Lucia Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:21:53 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/#comment-166626 reen looks like you have not been around the news? quote first para: "why the sudden insistence to use this Arabic word" quote last para: "why this sudden interest in this ARABIC word?" sudden? my dear, the word allah had been used by christians for ages. in fact, as i mentioned before the word allah was in use even before islam was born. ok if you are talking about the herald in our country, the herald too had been using allah all the while for years already, not now, now suddenly now. it's not a matter of language only. the difference between 'allah' and 'tuhan' had been explained before - they are use in different context. why can't others use allah when allah does not belongs exclusively to islam? the sikh in our country also use allah remember. i found out personally the nigerians christians in africa also use allah through a chanting song. the word allah was incorporated in their african language. see, allah can fit in the african language too. for the life of me, i just don't understand why there are muslim who keep on insisting that herald using the word allah has an ulterior motive (oh even non muslim like a one time good blogger friend), that is to propagate their faith to muslim. as i said millions of times, that comes out as rather insulting to the muslim themselves. for example, read the latest letter from malaysiakini 'allah ban paints BAD PICTURE of islam' http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/99629 reen
looks like you have not been around the news?
quote first para: “why the sudden insistence to use this Arabic word”
quote last para: “why this sudden interest in this ARABIC word?”

sudden? my dear, the word allah had been used by christians for ages. in fact, as i mentioned before the word allah was in use even before islam was born. ok if you are talking about the herald in our country, the herald too had been using allah all the while for years already, not now, now suddenly now.

it’s not a matter of language only. the difference between ‘allah’ and ‘tuhan’ had been explained before – they are use in different context. why can’t others use allah when allah does not belongs exclusively to islam? the sikh in our country also use allah remember. i found out personally the nigerians christians in africa also use allah through a chanting song. the word allah was incorporated in their african language. see, allah can fit in the african language too.

for the life of me, i just don’t understand why there are muslim who keep on insisting that herald using the word allah has an ulterior motive (oh even non muslim like a one time good blogger friend), that is to propagate their faith to muslim. as i said millions of times, that comes out as rather insulting to the muslim themselves. for example, read the latest letter from malaysiakini ‘allah ban paints BAD PICTURE of islam’
http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/99629

]]> By: reen http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/comment-page-1/#comment-166057 reen Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:47:27 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/#comment-166057 We all know that everyone has the right to use the word Allah no matter who they are... It's just that we cannot help it but to feel a tad suspicious as to why the sudden insistence to use this Arabic word.. Arabic, the very language most non-muslim in this country never care about. Just think about it, most races other than Malay would rather speak their own mother tongue eg. Mandarin, Contonese, Tamil, etc. Thay would also rather speak English for that matter. To find a non Malay talking in BM all the time is a rare find indeed unless when they are talking to a Malay.. Even then their BM is very bad indeed.. Of course, i've met many non Malays who speak wonderful BM but the question still remains, why this sudden interest in this ARABIC word? Why the refusal to use the word Tuhan if only language is the main concern? It's an answer I'd really like to know. We all know that everyone has the right to use the word Allah no matter who they are… It’s just that we cannot help it but to feel a tad suspicious as to why the sudden insistence to use this Arabic word.. Arabic, the very language most non-muslim in this country never care about.

Just think about it, most races other than Malay would rather speak their own mother tongue eg. Mandarin, Contonese, Tamil, etc. Thay would also rather speak English for that matter. To find a non Malay talking in BM all the time is a rare find indeed unless when they are talking to a Malay.. Even then their BM is very bad indeed..

Of course, i’ve met many non Malays who speak wonderful BM but the question still remains, why this sudden interest in this ARABIC word? Why the refusal to use the word Tuhan if only language is the main concern? It’s an answer I’d really like to know.

]]> By: Col http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/comment-page-1/#comment-75140 Col Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:44:28 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/#comment-75140 owh and if u really wanna be technical Aloha The word 'Allah' used in the Malay bible is pronounced without the stressed Arabic "L" We say it as though it's 'Alah'... I do hope you have a strong faith with your religion that you won't expect us to change the spelling to 'Alah' instead, will you? owh and if u really wanna be technical Aloha

The word ‘Allah’ used in the Malay bible is pronounced without the stressed Arabic “L”

We say it as though it’s ‘Alah’…

I do hope you have a strong faith with your religion that you won’t expect us to change the spelling to ‘Alah’ instead, will you?

]]> By: Col http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/comment-page-1/#comment-75131 Col Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:06:03 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/#comment-75131 Hmm hai Aloha, let me explain why Catholics do not use the word Tuhan for the word God. Catholicism, similar to Islam, is very strict in their Bible and services protocol translations to other languages. In the Bible or in the mass (Catholic service), we have phrases like "The Lord our God" which in Malay is "Tuhan Allah kita" So in this context, Lord and God is not interchangable and has a slight disctinction. Besides, it'll create further confusion to say "Tuhan Tuhan kita" Besides this translation work has been done for decades and has rooted in the Malay region for a very very long time, way before Malaysia was created and the Malaysian constitution saying that Malays are those who practices Malay culture and are Muslims. Back then there were many Malays who practices other religion and also other races who have Malay as their mother tongue. It is also way before DBP or some guy in the Internal Security Ministry decreeing that Allah is a term to be used as a proper noun and can only be used in a Muslim context. Is it fair that some guy, without even checking the history and culture of the Catholic people in Malaysia (Sabah and Sarawak especially), suddenly banning the use of the word 'Allah' by Catholics, who have been using it for ages for religious purposes??? Hmm hai Aloha, let me explain why Catholics do not use the word Tuhan for the word God. Catholicism, similar to Islam, is very strict in their Bible and services protocol translations to other languages. In the Bible or in the mass (Catholic service), we have phrases like
“The Lord our God”
which in Malay is
“Tuhan Allah kita”
So in this context, Lord and God is not interchangable and has a slight disctinction. Besides, it’ll create further confusion to say
“Tuhan Tuhan kita”
Besides this translation work has been done for decades and has rooted in the Malay region for a very very long time, way before Malaysia was created and the Malaysian constitution saying that Malays are those who practices Malay culture and are Muslims. Back then there were many Malays who practices other religion and also other races who have Malay as their mother tongue. It is also way before DBP or some guy in the Internal Security Ministry decreeing that Allah is a term to be used as a proper noun and can only be used in a Muslim context.
Is it fair that some guy, without even checking the history and culture of the Catholic people in Malaysia (Sabah and Sarawak especially), suddenly banning the use of the word ‘Allah’ by Catholics, who have been using it for ages for religious purposes???

]]> By: Lucia http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/comment-page-1/#comment-75121 Lucia Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:05:37 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/#comment-75121 certin simple. because english has its name for allah - it is god or lord. they are english words. that letter of fatima idrus from malaysiakini is a laugh because she mentioned with the use of allah, herald is proselytise to muslim. is the muslim's faith that weak??? certin
simple. because english has its name for allah – it is god or lord. they are english words.
that letter of fatima idrus from malaysiakini is a laugh because she mentioned with the use of allah, herald is proselytise to muslim. is the muslim’s faith that weak???

]]> By: certin http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/comment-page-1/#comment-75075 certin Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:19:40 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/#comment-75075 "from many of the blogs i visited, i notice most people disagree that the word allah does not belongs solely to the muslim. there are christians arabs, christian jews, christian lebanese and so on who had all along use the word ‘allah’ as their god. if you read malaysian unplug it was even mentioned that the arab christians had been using the word allah for 19 centuries!" are you are talking about the Malay language or Arabic? If you guys are so adamant on using Allah, why dont you use Allah in English Bible? http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/76410 “from many of the blogs i visited, i notice most people disagree that the word allah does not belongs solely to the muslim. there are christians arabs, christian jews, christian lebanese and so on who had all along use the word ‘allah’ as their god. if you read malaysian unplug it was even mentioned that the arab christians had been using the word allah for 19 centuries!”

are you are talking about the Malay language or Arabic?

If you guys are so adamant on using Allah, why dont you use Allah in English Bible?

http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/76410

]]> By: Kaninchen http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/comment-page-1/#comment-74621 Kaninchen Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:24:26 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/#comment-74621 Oh yeah happy holidays everyone... :) http://www.islamtomorrow.com/yusuf.htm Oh yeah happy holidays everyone…

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/yusuf.htm

]]> By: Kaninchen http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/comment-page-1/#comment-74596 Kaninchen Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:10:41 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/#comment-74596 According to Wikipedia, the name Allah "is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God, it is used by arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews in reference to "God"." Furthermore, "Arab Christians for example use terms Allāh al-ab (الله الآب) meaning God the father, Allāh al-ibn (الله الابن) mean God the son, and Allāh al-ruh al ghodus (الله الروح القدس) meaning God the Holy Spirit (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of God)." For Muslim context from Catholic encyclopaedia: "Let it be noted that although Allah is an Arabic term, it is used by all Moslems, whatever be their language, as the name of God." So clearly the name usage in Christian is applicable if only you speak Arabic( which is not in Malaysian context). In addition I dont recall any Christian publication in Liverpool UK use the word Allah in their leaflets. Thank you. According to Wikipedia, the name Allah “is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God, it is used by arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews in reference to “God”.”

Furthermore,
“Arab Christians for example use terms Allāh al-ab (الله الآب) meaning God the father, Allāh al-ibn (الله الابن) mean God the son, and Allāh al-ruh al ghodus (الله الروح القدس) meaning God the Holy Spirit (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of God).”

For Muslim context
from Catholic encyclopaedia:
“Let it be noted that although Allah is an Arabic term, it is used by all Moslems, whatever be their language, as the name of God.”

So clearly the name usage in Christian is applicable if only you speak Arabic( which is not in Malaysian context). In addition I dont recall any Christian publication in Liverpool UK use the word Allah in their leaflets.

Thank you.

]]> By: Lucia http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/comment-page-1/#comment-74515 Lucia Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:24:50 +0000 http://lucialai.org/2007/12/21/herald-allah-and-the-use-of-bm/#comment-74515 aloha you yourself mentioned 'dialouge'. to have a dialouge doesn't stop at explaining the word 'allah' only. we must go beyond that - like what was it that lead to the johari guy to think allah is exclusively for muslim only and so on. and that was what amin and wits0 were trying to do. we should all agree to disagree amicably and should not be rude (resorting to calling people names) when people disagree with us. also, when we realised we are wrong, we should gracefully accept it. from many of the blogs i visited, i notice most people disagree that the word allah does not belongs solely to the muslim. there are christians arabs, christian jews, christian lebanese and so on who had all along use the word 'allah' as their god. if you read malaysian unplug it was even mentioned that the arab christians had been using the word allah for 19 centuries! aloha
you yourself mentioned ‘dialouge’. to have a dialouge doesn’t stop at explaining the word ‘allah’ only. we must go beyond that – like what was it that lead to the johari guy to think allah is exclusively for muslim only and so on. and that was what amin and wits0 were trying to do.

we should all agree to disagree amicably and should not be rude (resorting to calling people names) when people disagree with us. also, when we realised we are wrong, we should gracefully accept it.

from many of the blogs i visited, i notice most people disagree that the word allah does not belongs solely to the muslim. there are christians arabs, christian jews, christian lebanese and so on who had all along use the word ‘allah’ as their god. if you read malaysian unplug it was even mentioned that the arab christians had been using the word allah for 19 centuries!

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